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Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/17/12 10:06:28
754 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Of course. I'd say, generally speaking, post harvest practices vary wildly almost everywhere, and there's a very, very low level of understanding on most farmers part of what good agricultural practices are, and the importance of good post harvest practices are and how they translate to the final product (or even what the final product is, which is a shame!). In every origin, you'll find extremes - those who know it very well, and those who don't - Columbia is no different than others in this regard.

The DR has moved largely to a wet bean buying model over the last 5 years - which has been a bit transformational for the farmer. It's much less labor for them, reduces the risk of theft, and speeds up their cash flow cycles. Most origins aren't sufficiently coordinated to do this on a large scale, and the more we see co-ops rise, the more this will change. The co-opfermentationapproach should, under the right guidance, lead to increased consistency, reduced defects (you'd hate to have highly consistent defects - which is what some origins have), which in turn should lead to a sustainable business model if the profits are applied thoughtfully for the future - one problem is many farmers don't think much about the future as they're so very focused on meeting their immediate needs. The more tools we can provide to prepare for the future, the better, and this includes not onlytrainingaround GAP's and quality, but soil nutrition, planting materials, education, health care, IPM, etc.

I'm unclear on what you're question is or what your goal is - if you're looking for a book to read to teach you how to do this, i don't think you're going to find one. If you're looking to create an organization that follows through to commercial sales, I'd urge you to contract or partner with someone who has some experience here vs trying to go it alone.

Felipe Jaramillo F.
@Felipe Jaramillo F.
02/17/12 09:46:33
55 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Thomas, thank you for sharing you experience.

It seems like the cooperatives have a lot of control over the bean choices as well as fermenting and drying. With clear guidelines and a monetary incentive for better practices there may be enough motivation to provide fine beans at a farm or cooperative level.

Felipe Jaramillo F.
@Felipe Jaramillo F.
02/17/12 09:46:16
55 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Thank you Sebastian.

I guess a critical step in improving quality would be to get growers to actually taste chocolate made from different quality beans. I guess cooperatives would be able to learn small batch chocolate making to not only learn the differences themselves but also to educate growers and buyers into what fine cacao tastes like in a finished product.

Are there any resources you would recommend to be better prepared technically when meeting growers/cooperatives? The Beckett book has limited information on fermenting and Genetic Diversity of Cacao by Bartley seems to focus on the plants and not post-crop activities.

Also, have been to Colombia? What was your impression of the practices in the farms or cooperatives you visited? I am yet to get a clear picture of the state of the cacao industry in the different regions and specially how suitable it is for producing fine flavor beans.

Regards,

Felipe

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
02/17/12 09:35:08
102 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

From what I understand, the cooperatives pay the same price the family run businesses pay for cacao There is a RD$500 difference paid for fermented and not fermented. If I remember right, it comes to US$800 per ton. The advantage to joining a cooperative comes with the technical assistance, getting organically certified, availability of loans, and 10% goes into projects within communities of their members. This is the "fair trade" cacao which accounts for about 25% produced. How much is fermented, I do not know. Many of the medium sized farmers have the same relationship with the bigger family run business. They probably have the sustainability certifications. The cooperatives have the fermentation boxes; more and more is being brought in wet from the fields. I will see how the pricing for the wet cacao is calculated this summer.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/16/12 17:36:16
754 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Actually, a great deal of the commercially available beans have remarkably great traceability. Some origins are obviously much, much better than others, but the traceability systems, in general, are better than you might expect.

Felipe - I've found that, generally speaking, unless the farmer has specifically asked me for something, my presence can often be perceived as an intrusion. When the tall white guy shows up, telling you to do something different than you've done for generations, there's almost always a skepticism. Often times a farmer doesn't realize he has a problem. Almost always he has no idea what his beans are used for, so how could he know what quality is? And they're often quite proud of their heritage and what they do - which is great. But it can make asking them to do something different difficult - even if it will dramatically improve their yield, reduce their disease, etc.

In the event someone has helped him understand quality, there's often conflicting information - ie i may tell him to do one thing (because that results in the outcome im' interested in), whereas someone else may tell him not to do that (because they want a different outcome).

The most effective way, imo, is to build a relationship that's mutually beneficial, and be overt about what you're asking them to do and why, showing them the results of both the good and the bad so they understand.

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
02/15/12 19:08:42
102 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I can only speak from my experiences in the Dominican Republic and chocolate makers and companies are rarely buying the bean directly from the farmer. I know of people who do work with the farm cooperatives and visit the location where fermentation and drying happen. They may visit some farms. I do not know if specific batches of beans are identified with specific farms at the cooperatives. From what I have seen, they are not unless specifically sourced for a specific client. I have seen the Rizek website and they are probably labeling beans with the farm from where the harvest comes from for the premium beans. Most of what is grown is not fermented and sold in the bulk market and/or used for butter and cake. I recently visited a chocolatier in Maryland who has their own cacao farm in the DR and they use their own beans in their shop. Unless you are going to directly buy from a farmer who will harvest, ferment and dry properly, and export licenses are obtained, you will probably find it difficult to identify your beans to a specific farm.

Felipe Jaramillo F.
@Felipe Jaramillo F.
02/15/12 17:48:47
55 posts

Working with Cacao Growers - What does it involve?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Dear Chocolate Lifers,

I have been wondering what kind of activities are supposed to take place when chocolate makers visit farmers. I know of tours that visit plantations and seems like almost all bean to bar chocolatiers 'work with growers' and come back with smiling pictures.

While it is clear that meeting the growers, learning about their environment and practices and hopefully take actions to improve their standard of living are important, I am curious of the specific cacao processing input that they could recieve from a buyer.

I have recently been surprised to learn about the widespread existence of cacao plantations in my local Colombia, covering about 80% of the countries departments. In some cases there have been newer plantations where illegal crops are replaced with cacao. I visited some members of the Colombian Cacao Federation and they mentioned how tricky it was to change their practices when bulk buyers would purchase anything, at any state for the same price.

I wondered if some of the more experienced members could pitch in:

What has been your experience when visiting plantations for the first time?

How open were the growers to receive input from you? How easy is it to identify the varieties and the quality of their cacao production while in the visit?

How do chocolate makers learn the best practices for post-crop treatment of the beans? In the case of fermentation, is it possible to transmit a proper way of doing it as it relates to their local conditions?

Any input is appreciated, as always.

All the best,
Felipe


updated by @Felipe Jaramillo F.: 05/14/15 02:10:48
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/23/13 03:58:21
754 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Once you apply for the permit, it will be reviewed at your state and federal level, and the gov't will come back with a list of conditions under which you must agree to in order to import the material. If you agree to those conditions, yes, you can import fresh pods.

Easier would be to simply order them from someone in hawaii (perhaps sharkman here).

Scott2
@Scott2
03/20/13 00:53:43
2 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Sebastain,

Thanks for thehumorouswarning. Do you know if with an APHIS permit importation of fresh pods is permitted?

Cheers,

Scott

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/19/13 11:58:58
527 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hey.... You know Spider too? Wow! Small world. Tell him Brad says you can have whatever bunk you want next time or his sister doesn't get any more choklat! LOL

Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/17/13 06:02:58
754 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Know that importation of viable plant material from outside of the US without a valid USDA APHIS permit will result in the shipment being confiscated at the border. Attempting to import plant materials illegally into the US may also result in you spending some time in a 12x12 windowless concrete room will a large man named Spider, and a fight over who gets which bunk.

Scott2
@Scott2
03/17/13 02:07:39
2 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Ning--

I tried fresh cocoa pods in Mexico and really enjoyed the pulp. Can you send fresh pods to the United States? How long do they last after being picked?

Cheers,

Scott

Richard Foley
@Richard Foley
02/15/12 23:07:45
48 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Qzina in Vancouver should have them or will send them from LA office to you. They have shells, beans open pods, and full dried pods. Call Ed.
Ning-Geng Ong
@Ning-Geng Ong
02/15/12 17:14:02
36 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I would be happy to ship to you fresh / dried cocoa pods in any sizes, cut, uncut, at any ripeness, subject to harvest timing. Also available are leaves, flowers, etc. I have previously shipped to Marios Skyrianides, who is another member in Cyprus.

Andy Johnson
@Andy Johnson
02/15/12 12:50:18
8 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Check out CHEFRUBBER.com they have cocoa pods for sale under their "CHOCOLATE" catagory.

www.chefrubber.com

Andy

Belle Fleur Chocolate

Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
02/14/12 23:21:59
98 posts

Cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Anyone know where I can get a couple of pods for display and education? Nothin on ebay so any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

Dirke


updated by @Dirke Botsford: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
02/13/12 15:18:31
102 posts

My recent chocolate travels


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Discovered Eataly on 25th and Broadway in NYC last week. Nice selection of Italian chocolate and confections. Bought truffles and a Barbero bar, Santo Domingo 70%. $8.80 for 3.5 oz. Very good.

Since I was in the neighborhood, I passed by Burdick and said hello to a former student of mine who works there. Purchased a Venezuelan bar and a Bolivian bar which were fantastic.

Hit Black Hound on Friday and had a few truffles. The young women who waited on me was from Haitian ethnicity and when I showed her my chocolate paste, she said her Dad brings it back from the Dominican Republic when he goes. She also gave me a white chocolate truffle which I can do without next time.

Sunday my wife and I drove to Maryland and took a Chocolate 101 class with Crisoire Reid at Spag n Vola. Her husband Eric sat down with us and was very generous with his time and advice. His partner Justin does a nice tour of their operations and is very engaging. A groups of about 12 people made ganache, rolled truffles, table tempered, and dipped. I was their mostly to meet them and was very impressed with the quality of their chocolate. They have their own farm in the DR and have complete control from tree to bon bon. You must try it.

Today I visited Fika downtown in the financial district. You can watch the chocolatier mold through a glass window. I introduced myself and he was very nice and willing to spend to time speaking with me. Fika means coffee break in Swedish. Had three truffles and a sandwich.


updated by @Thomas Forbes: 05/14/15 18:05:10
Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/21/12 17:59:55
754 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hard to say exactly not knowing your storage conditions, but chances are the white powder is either yeast or mold. Pretty normal, i'd not be overly concerned unless it's fuzzy.

Panod
@Panod
02/21/12 09:02:08
17 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

It does? But I have a feeling I might store it wrongly, I put it in this plastic tank, and put in some coal and those packets that absorb moisture and smell, and occasionally when it's sunny and dry outside I bring the beans out to dry (does this consider as aging?) Strangely every time when I open the lid to get the cocoa beans out, the temperature is noticeably cooler inside. Some beans have this white color covering it. After I roast the beans, some are loose, some are tight together, and some have this powdery texture (I always throw this beans with powder out) Is it usable?

Sorry that my question doesn't seem to end :S

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/16/12 13:44:41
754 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Glad it worked! Since you pulled all the levers at once, it's hard to say which one did it 8-)

Letting dry beans age for 5 months is actually very, very good for the beans. Don't worry about that (as long as you stored them properly)

Panod
@Panod
02/16/12 07:21:23
17 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you for all of your advices. It came out great, no sour or astringent taste at all! I roast the beans long enough that I can sense the changing of brownie smell turns to acidic smell and then back to brownie again. I let it conche for 34 hours, open the lid, blow in a little bit of air and hair dryer. Also added the Baking Soda. Despite it smelling like someone's smelly foot throughout the conche, I put it in the fridge and the next morning it ended up tasting good, bitter sweet.

Thank you Sebastian, thank you Richard, thank you Rodney! :D

And also my beans I brought them since October last year, and I just decided to buy a melanger so 4-5 months, I aged it a little bit too much. I think that this over fermentation of beans won't happen anymore. Thank you for all of your advices. :)

Best

Panod

Rodney Nikkels
@Rodney Nikkels
02/15/12 11:34:44
24 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Dear Panod,

Perhaps you could try to increase the temperature upto 75 degrees Celcius during the grinding for some 12-24 hours? You could use a hair dryer or some other device for this, but be sure the temp goes up!

Best

Rodney Nikkels

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/14/12 08:57:16
754 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Altering post harvest practices can have a tremendous impact on the flavor of the beans - chances are his beans are of decent bean stock, and that it's the handling after growing that would be tweaked to get him something he's after. Age of beans (both from a maturity as well as how long it's been since they were 'picked'), disease state (especially in his part of the world), fermentation quantity, configuration, and protocol are immensely important, as is drying. If he's driving down to see the plantation, it's my very strongsuspicionthat whomever is providing him with beans isn't very well versed in post harvest control, and doesn't really know what 'levers' to pull to adjust the outcome. I assume you're working with Darin at UWI - he's great - just remember that he's got a very specific field of vision (WI specific), which has lots of history with their local govt's influencing things, and the origin has somepeculiaritiesthat would have me caution you on drawing too many parallels using the results from here to other origins.

In general, i'm of the opinion that it's a much smoother road to spend the time with your supplier(s) up front to direct the outcome so that 'fixing' it later doesn't have to be done. Some 'fixes' can be affected with processing, but it's a much tougher road to travel, and there's no guarantee of success!

Richard Foley
@Richard Foley
02/14/12 00:34:52
48 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I would say look for better quality beans. If using over fermented beans and without the ability to truly conch properly you have a big challenge. Ideally, starting with carefully and properly fermented beans, as well as quality fine flavor beans, will make your process more forgiving. This is why the big manufacturers can use all kinds of lesser quality beans, they have highly sophisticated equipment, and conches to deal with these issues, and they are professional blenders, so when they run into acidic or vinegar acids, they can deal with it easier. Small producers trying to conch and refine in a melanger don't have that benefit, and using single origin beans makes you vulnerable to fluctuations beyond your control. We find in our test kitchen that the better our beans, the better our results. Get yourself a fermentation chart so you can compare your beans against the chart for proper fermentation. There are roasting charts also that can assist. I believe at the end of the day, bean quality and fermentation and drying are very important. UWI cocoa research unit has some very interesting studies on fermentation worth reading. They even introduced other types of fruit pulp into fermentation boxes and were able to really see the flavor change impact. Also, the importance of getting beans into fermentation boxes within 12 hours is also very important. Anyway, so many different opinions and theories out there...we all have so much to learn and it's all so much fun.
Panod
@Panod
02/13/12 18:27:30
17 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you Sebastian for your insight, I'll keep the lid off and let it conche for ~36-48 hours. And will add baking soda after 36 hours(If it still smell bad). Like 1/2 teaspoon? I'm making a 400 g batch.

At the beginning of next month I'll be visiting the farm down south to see how they grow it. Will post pictures :)

Thank you Sebastian!

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/13/12 13:16:41
754 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Just noticed your location. Do you have any insight as to how the beans were dried (or better yet, any influence over how they're dried?). Which country are the beans coming from (i'm assuming they're in your region..)

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/13/12 13:13:52
754 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You're quite likely not doing anything wrong; what you're seeing is the result of fermentation, which generates lots of organic acids - and may have been left to go longer than it probably should have. Remember that there's no 'right' way to ferment beans - this farm you're working with may very specifically be targeting acidic beans, as that may be what someone has directed them to do in the past for a specific flavor profile, be it alone or in a blend. Or it could be that they screwed up. Hard to say w/o more details. You've got a few options you could try, i think:

1) Roast at a lower temperature, for a longer period of time. You might even consider wetting the beans a bit and trying to steam off the acetic acid by azeotroping it. I probably wouldn't start with that, but it might be something to try at a later time of other approaches don't give you what you want.

2) Take the lid off your melanage, and let it melange for 3x as long. Acetic is a fairly low molecular weight organic acid - you can tell this because you can smell it. If it wasn't, you couldn't smell it. It wants to go away. You're trapping it in by keeping the lid on, and the longer you let the cycle go, the more opportunity it will have to escape. Also consider heating environment (keep it below 160F) as heat has a direct impact on volatility.

3) Try adding a little bit of baking soda to your batch. Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is a very weak base. You've got some acid present. Give the two a chance to dance and neutralize one another. You'll have to play with the levels, but i'd start very low.

Panod
@Panod
02/13/12 08:29:18
17 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

All of those haven't been tempered yet, and right now it smell acidic and unwelcoming. :S

Panod
@Panod
02/13/12 08:27:17
17 posts

A lot of Acid


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi! I really need advice.

I keep on having problems of making chocolate that taste acidic. I've made 7 batches so far.

Each with different temperature, mostly either short high or long low.

Especially the long low roast a little more than half way I get this scent of acidness and at the end resulted in a little bit of a burned brownie smell.

Many roast I would get this nice smell of chocolate aroma.

But despite all these roasting which turns up to be smelling either nutty or chocolaty smell, every batch I pour into the melanger, I would get this instant rush of acidic smell, and when it turn liquid I add in sugar I tried 70%, 62% 60% 52%(with milk powder) first 2 batch I'm surprise to see that after 6 hours I would get this fine chocolate already, but I let it run until 12 hours. All the batch after that are 20-25 hours. After conching I would pour it into a container and let it settle a bit and store it into the fridge for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, still some acidic taste.

May I know what I did wrong. The ingredient are only beans and sugar, I have no access to lecithin or cocoa butter at all.

I mostly keep the lid on, because I let it run over night, and it make a lot of mess when open. I sometimes use the hair dryer like 5-10 minutes.

I also look at the farm that supply the beans and it is certified by the local research center for quality.

What could be wrong? The conching time is not enough? More hair dryer? Longer and hotter roast? Need to open the lid?

Thank you in advance for all of your advices.


updated by @Panod: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Steven J
@Steven J
01/04/13 19:02:03
3 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

I was looking for classes preferably in NJ that would one day make me a Chocolate Jedi but unfortunately I haven't been able to find anything.

Klarista Chen
@Klarista Chen
11/14/12 09:30:00
1 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Hi Richard,

I'm interested in learning about the classes on Bean to Bar. I went to your website and found that the class is offered in California. Do you have any classes in NY-tri-state area? Please kindly supply the upcoming class schedule.

Thanks

Richard Foley
@Richard Foley
02/14/12 00:19:30
48 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

We are starting a series of monthly classes at Qzina Instiute in Irvine, Ca. Starting from known and visited farms, our beans are carefully selected for true quality fine flavor, and proper fermenting and drying is assured. We recently installed the latest equipment from BLT so we can produce 30 lb batches for up to four attendees who will go from start to finish over two days. We have plenty of material from the cocoa research unit at the University of West Indies, including fermentation grading charts, roasting analysis, and our corporate chef will lead not only a course in physical manufacturing, but also informative sessions on the origins of chocolate, fine flavor beans, and attendees will enjoy a tasting experience featuring various chocolate produced from different farms we have sourced beans from. We would love share our technical manufacturing experience with other enthusiasts and ourselves learn from our guests. We have the country's top chcolate bean to bar facility with fully equipped chocolate, pastry, and testing equipment for measuring viscosity (Brookfield), particle size, and more. Guests leave with 5 lbs of tempered and molded chocolate in 227 gram bars, and 6 gram tasting pieces. We are having so much fun. Last week we made pure Hawaiian (Forastero) and then pure Nacional/ Ariba from Peru..... Amazing flavors coming each week. We have classes once per month... Contact me for a schedule if interested.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/13/12 19:03:39
754 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

lots and lots of places do confections training - i was approaching the question from a bean -> bar perspective. If he'd like more general confectionery training, there's hundreds of places to go for that...i may have misunderstood.

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
02/13/12 15:24:47
102 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Check out Jomart Chocolate. They offer a individual class that you can design with them. I think it was $240, so it isn't cheap and it looks like they focus on confections. Has anyone attended the La Maison workshops? They buy their base already made so they may have a video or something, but it appears to be more of a tasting.

Vidya Murthy
@Vidya Murthy
02/13/12 12:04:11
2 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Thanks All! I did check out the website for ecole chocolat and it seems pretty great. If you come across anything else in nyc, i'd love to hear about it. Thanks!

Vidya

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/12/12 17:07:27
754 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Depends on what the choices of microbrews are at the local pub afterwards 8)

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
02/12/12 14:56:25
527 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Sebastian;

If I host a course, will you be a guest speaker?

;-)

Cheers

Brad

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/12/12 04:42:38
754 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

It's been my experience that there are very few schools out there - ZDS in Germany does a bit of it, but not many others. Not many people have the full breadth and depth of knowledge to span the full range of ingredients (cocoa, milk, sugar, emulsifiers, flavors) as well as processes and how they interact. Might be an opportunity for some enterprising person to try to assemble an educational event targeted to specific needs.

ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
02/12/12 00:44:35
251 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

If you can connect with the TCL members from NYC they can help guide you. A few I know are Brady Brelinski, George G (I forget her screen name here... maybe runnerNYC?), David Arnold, Adrienne Henson. They're all very helpful.

There are also online classes you can take. Oh, what is the name of that well known school? echole chocolate? or something along those lines.

Vidya Murthy
@Vidya Murthy
02/10/12 08:46:18
2 posts

NYC area chocolate class (bean to bar)


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Hello - I'm in NYC and I'm looking for a good chocolate making class anywhere close to the area that not only gives me some hands on experience making chocolate but also helps me better understand the entire process of how chocolate is made (from the cacao to the bar etc. ) Does anyone have any suggestions? The only comparable thing i've found so far is at the La Maison du Chocolat.

Thanks!

Vidya


updated by @Vidya Murthy: 04/10/15 14:07:56
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